Beef Between Brand New and Taking Back Sunday

May 30, 2022 Post a Comment

Cheers to a contempo Reddit AMA, the prospect of a Taking Back Sunday and Make New bout riled upward the internet recently and became one of the well-nigh read stories on our website. Not but would such a tour be the tour to meet, just it would represent the symbolic squashing of an ancient beefiness that absorbed the music scene in the early-2000s. In all its celebrity, the Taking Back Lord's day/Make New feud would burn down bright through sharp lyrical back-and-fourths in an substitution of emo dis tracks. It may have simply felt like a Long Island scene rivalry to the bands involved, but the reality is, at this indicate in history, the globe's eyes were fixated on that island and the music coming out of it. In that location's at present an entire generation of BN and TBS fans who, by virtue of historic period (and the fact that this all took place so long agone), were completely unaware of this feud in all its greatness. Sure, it was all a bit nasty, and feelings were hurt, but for the fans, information technology was pretty damn entertaining. The real emotions involved churned out some amazing tunes and kept us all heavily invested. So here we will cover the nostalgia and recollect the 10 best moments of the BN/TBS feud.

1. How information technology all started
Our story begins in Long Island, New York at the onset of a budding (or exploding, depending on who you ask) post-hardcore/emo scene effectually the year 2000. In line with the genre'south lyrical themes, the great emo beef of our time would start because of a girl. Jesse Lacey, the frontman for Brand New, (and who was once the bassist for Taking Dorsum Sunday), was longtime friends with John Nolan, TBS's guitarist and songwriter. But then, during a house party, Nolan allegedly hooked up Lacey'south then-girlfriend. Lacey promptly split from TBS, briefly forming a band chosen the Rookie Lot, before somewhen forming Brand New. Afterward Lacey left TBS, he was replaced by a immature beau named Adam Lazzara, who played bass but somewhen switched to lead vocals past the time of recording the band's debut album, Tell All Your Friends .

two. The First Shots Fired: "Seventy Times vii"

Now in Brand New, Jesse Lacey came out guns blazing and wrote the song "Seventy Times seven" (from the band'south 2001 debut Your Favorite Weapon ), the title of which refers to the number of sins that Jesus said should exist forgiven. Lacey scorns Nolan in the track: "And then don't apologize/I hope y'all choke and dice/Search your prison cell for something with which to hang yourself." The song slows down for a cursory moment of somber reflection before exploding into what is probably the virtually famous Brand New verse e'er written, all presumably directed at Nolan:

So, is that what you call a getaway?
Well tell me what yous got away with.
Crusade I've seen more than spine in jellyfish.
I've seen more guts in 11-year-old kids.
Accept another drink, and drive yourself home.
I hope at that place's ice on all the roads.
And you lot can call up of me when you forget your seatbelt.
And again when your head goes through the windshield.

3. Taking Dorsum Sunday strike back: "There'due south No 'I' In Team"

Taking Back Sunday weren't only going to eat Jesse Lacey's grit and call it quits. When Tell All Your Friends came out in 2002, a strikingly directly lyrical response to Make New'south "Seventy Times 7" was found on the album'south fourth rails, "There's No 'I' In Team." Nolan and Lazzara alternate on vocals throughout the vocal, dishing out blows like, "All-time friends means I pulled the trigger/All-time friends means y'all get what yous deserve"—a direct reference to a Brand New line in "Seventy Times 7." Merely, toward the end, TBS cut out all subtlety:

I swear you take no idea.
(I promise there's ice on all the roads.)
The jealousy that became me thinking.
(That's right he said.)
(And you tin call up of me when you forget your seatbelt.)
That you always had it manner too easy.
(And again when your caput goes through the windshield.)

4. All of the other songs involved
Though information technology requires a bit of speculation, there are a number of other songs worth diving into that are open for interpretation and could've played a function in the feud: Taking Back Dominicus's "Timberwolves At New Jersey" and "…Slowdance On The Within;" likewise as Make New'south "Mix Tape" and "Okay I Believe Yous, Merely My Tommy Gun Don't."

v. Brand New'south dis shirt

Why non greenbacks in on the drama that your fans are so occupied with? Brand New did exactly that when they took their beef with TBS to print, in the grade of an insulting band T-shirt. The shirt read, "Because mics are for singing, not swinging," which was directed at Lazzara and his signature mic-swinging stage move. (See: the ring'southward Jimmy Kimmel performance). TBS made a shirt in render. It read: Proudly Swinging Since 1999.

6. That time they made up onstage

It looks like at one point in 2002, both sides had made upwardly, if only temporarily. The band'due south toured together all summertime in 2002, forth with Rufio. Lacey joined Taking Dorsum Dominicus onstage during a show in Boulder, Colorado, where they performed "There'south No 'I' In Team" together. Lazzara stated on phase, "This song is chosen 'Lxx Times 7' and/or 'There'southward No 'I' In Team,' depending on which record you bought first." Nolan also joined Brand New onstage during the same show.